Part of an oh-so-interesting conversation Kaze-chan and I had about the past couple of days...
NurikoLuver: So I said I was upset about everything this week (which is, among things, the bombing, hearing all the stories while I was sick, being sick, and being sad and worried)
Kazenamida: And he won't leave me alone
NurikoLuver: Awwww.. *hugs*
Kazenamida: As...physically sick the attack made me, I'm not scared
NurikoLuver: And they never got me a tissue. -__-;; THey could have made themselves much more useful than gathering a crowd around me and talking about everything
NurikoLuver: And making me feel more upset.
NurikoLuver: *had to get a tissue herself and listen to these people talk about all the stuff, and they didn't know as much as she did*
Kazenamida: We don't talk about it much...All there is, basically, is Arab bashing
NurikoLuver: I knew a lot more, because I was sick in bed
NurikoLuver: And I watched it non-stop.
Kazenamida: **thinks Arab bashing is unfair** There are innocent Arabs here. That have nothing to do with the terrorism, ya know?
Kazenamida: Arab taxi drivers are getting the shit beaten out of them, and a gas station run by Arabs was almost blown up
Kazenamida: (A cigarrette was thrown at the gas tanks)
Kazenamida: My dad knows those Arabs at the gas station...They didn't even do anything, and the owner, I think, is more American than Arab.
Kazenamida: **sigh** I'm trying much to hard to stay completely neutral
NurikoLuver: I know! *thinks the same of you*
NurikoLuver: And all of these guys and some of the girls at my school are stupid!
NurikoLuver: They all just want to "nuke'em!"
Kazenamida: Exactly...
NurikoLuver: And it makes no sense, it makes me so angry!
NurikoLuver: *wrote about it in her blog before it timed out and pissed her off*
Kazenamida: But they don't know that there's been terrorism in Iraq for ten years now...
NurikoLuver: I know!
NurikoLuver: No one cared about the terrorism until it came here
NurikoLuver: That pisses me off, too
Kazenamida: I mean, I know this sounds traitor-ish, but...
NurikoLuver: Until the US loses some of its own people, they don't want to do anything
NurikoLuver: Just like in WWII
Kazenamida: Sometimes we deserve what we get...
NurikoLuver: We weren't going to get into a war until we lost our own
NurikoLuver: *agrees completely*
Kazenamida: I'm tired of hearing "We won't take this lightly!"
Kazenamida: I wanna hear "Let's find out exactly what happened and why."
NurikoLuver: We should learn to listen; if we would have listened to them instead of acting like eletists."
Kazenamida: Though, America has been very generous....
NurikoLuver: *nods* YES!
NurikoLuver: *elitists
Kazenamida: Seriously, we send out mercenaries and help people win wars
NurikoLuver: We act like America's so great and powerful and awesome that we never take the time to listen to people so things like this WOULDN'T have to happen.
Kazenamida: We give other countries money...
NurikoLuver: *nods dubiously*
Kazenamida: We do all these things, but...The other countries don't think America is deserving enough for payback. Like, we don't always make dountries pay their debts
Kazenamida: We helped France lots o'
Kazenamida: times...
Kazenamida: And they make fun of us constantly
Kazenamida: You know what's weird?
Kazenamida: America is allies with Germany
NurikoLuver: I know..
NurikoLuver: We have lots of allies...
Kazenamida: It's like "Whoa, where did that come from?!"
NurikoLuver: Someone pointed out to me today...
NurikoLuver: That people, that other contries always say they'll stand by us-- and in the end, don't.
Kazenamida: Exactly
NurikoLuver: She cited examples, I can't remember, but...
NurikoLuver: I have a feeling, if we get into war, it will be America vs. Terrorism
Kazenamida: Take Canada for example. We're allies, but Canadians and Americans CONSTANTLY make fun of each other
NurikoLuver: *makes mental note to cut that out*
NurikoLuver: I know!
Kazenamida: But right now, Canada is helping us...
NurikoLuver: "Blame Canada" won an emmy
Kazenamida: And we have their sympathy...
NurikoLuver: America is suddenly becoming patriotic and "uniting"
Kazenamida: I like Canada o_o;
NurikoLuver: But shouldn't we have this constantly?
Kazenamida: No kiddin...
NurikoLuver: Shouldn't we always want to help one another?
Kazenamida: Right
NurikoLuver: Shouldn't we always be united?
NurikoLuver: Suddenly, the hypocrites of the US feel a little guilty, and a little afraid
Kazenamida: And then, you NEVER hear of American kamikaze pilots
Kazenamida: So obviously Americans aren't willing enough to commit suicide to win
NurikoLuver: If there is a war, and they are damned to hell, they feel they'll be able to say, "Hell, I donated a hundred dollars to help the people in New York."
Kazenamida: Like the terrorists...
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement*
NurikoLuver: The terrorists, right now, appear they'll do anything to win
NurikoLuver: Americans have their limits.
Kazenamida: We won't kill innocents, but people do it all the time anyways
Kazenamida: Right...
NurikoLuver: Innocents? People at my school are saying, "Nuke em!"
Kazenamida: But there's time for limits, and there's times to pull out all the stops
Kazenamida: I know
NurikoLuver: They don't care who they kill, as long as they kill SOMEONE
NurikoLuver: As long as they can extract revenge!
Kazenamida: People are throwing lighted cigarrettes at innocent Arabs...
Kazenamida: Or, their gas tanks
NurikoLuver: And that's exactly NOT what we need. We'd be hypocrites if we did that
Kazenamida: Which would in turn kill them
NurikoLuver: It isn't fair that these Arabs are being punished!
Kazenamida: Right!
NurikoLuver: And it's all the adults-- yes, there are some kids, but they are looking to their parents for examples!
NurikoLuver: Don't these people realize this is SERIOUS?!
NurikoLuver: Don't they realize that this is going to be in the history books: Americans tried to Light Arabs on Fire?!
Kazenamida: Raine, from OLP, says kids need to be talked to about the terrorist attacks the most..because most of us have been raised by TV, Video Games, and Movies.
NurikoLuver: They're so STUPID! They're irrational! AMERICANS NEED TO LEARN TO THINK!
NurikoLuver: Parents don't want to explain anything to us, yet they want to protect us.
Kazenamida: He's right. But I wasn't raised that way...I was smart enough to know what was real and what wasn't...
NurikoLuver: I wrote something after I cried-- let me get it.
Kazenamida: Exactly **nods about irrational americans**
NurikoLuver: "The adults who wished for a war to start to extract revenge- the seven out of ten of them- are probably the same people who insist on protecting us from the truth; We're nearly adults now, we no longer need to be protected or MISEDUCATED."
Kazenamida: **raises hand** I agree
NurikoLuver: That's from the page and a half I wrote during Journalism when I was upset. The only line that almost made sense.
Kazenamida: I may only be 14, but I actually think I'm pretty intelligent ^_^;;;
Kazenamida: And, I can't quite explain it....
NurikoLuver: Jefferson parish public schools cancelled school on Wednesday because of fights at the school.
Kazenamida: O_o
NurikoLuver: My mom told me about it, she works at Jefferson Parish
Kazenamida: *doesn't wanna seem snobby by saying she's intelligent**
NurikoLuver: Some of the Arabs supposedly gloated, "Stupid Americans got everything they deserved!" And so after school, some blacks and whites grabbed the kids and beat the shit out of them
NurikoLuver: I think you're intelligent...
NurikoLuver: It's strange, we're uniting to fight... -_-;;
NurikoLuver: At all the schools I've been to, there's been an unofficial segregation.
Kazenamida: I just think that given the fact that all I do is watch TV and play video games, and I still know the difference between what's real and what isn't...
Kazenamida: Wow...
NurikoLuver: Blacks and Whites hardly ever sit together, let alone unite...
NurikoLuver: *nods* I think I have a good sense of morality, which is more than what most Americans can say.
Kazenamida: Although Arabs may feel they've won, they have no reason to gloat over the death of thousands of people
Kazenamida: Americans don't do it
Kazenamida: Or, most don't
Kazenamida: Kids do. I don't
Kazenamida: Because I'm not like them; I don't think with my ass
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement* I think we're unlike most people..
NurikoLuver: We're unique, we're different.
Kazenamida: Yeh...
NurikoLuver: We may be upset, but we don't let rage rule our inhibitions...
Kazenamida: We try to stay completely neutral. Or, I do ^_^;
Kazenamida: Right
NurikoLuver: We still think with our mind
Kazenamida: And I'm not scared...
NurikoLuver: I'm scared. *is scared*
Kazenamida: I know...
Kazenamida: I dunno why I'm not
NurikoLuver: One of the things that made me really upset today...
Kazenamida: I should be
NurikoLuver: Was that if a war was started-- this will ruin everyone's future
NurikoLuver: If it's a long war, especially.
NurikoLuver: Guys who goto war will be really messed up psychologically. If it's a long war, people may not want to have children in fear that their kids will be drafted.
Kazenamida: What bothers me most that if you publicly voice your opinions about staying neutral and how America isn't always saintly, people jump down your throat ready to kill you
NurikoLuver: If it's like in WWII, where women controlled everything, they did everything while the men were gone-- we can't do that for long
Kazenamida: Yeh...If Mike gets drafted...
Kazenamida: I'll kidnap him and move to Canada
Kazenamida: Or, I'll die
NurikoLuver: There is a limits to what women can do...the same with men...
Kazenamida: Right
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement* I don't want my brother getting drafted...
NurikoLuver: You could always have him commit a minor crime
NurikoLuver: They don't make criminals goto war..
Kazenamida: If you move to Canada, you don't have to get drafted
Kazenamida: Seriously
Kazenamida: That's what my parents said
NurikoLuver: Some people in 'Nam would say that it was against their religion.
NurikoLuver: You know what makes me so angry?! My mom seems so insensitive to my feelings about the issue.
NurikoLuver: Even my adult figures-- my aunt and my mom, want to "Nuke em!"
NurikoLuver: Why does everyone want to fucking "nuke em"?!
Kazenamida: I don't...
NurikoLuver: Why can't they THINK for a minute?! BE RATIONAL!
NurikoLuver: Or has it come to two people left in the world with reason? *looks at you and looks at herself*
Kazenamida: I know...If we nuke them, we're no better than the terrorists
Kazenamida: LOL, I think it has
NurikoLuver: I know! People can't realize this! Do I have to write it on my butt and flash it to the world from a helicopter? "BE RATIONAL!"
Kazenamida: I don't even wanna know what Ashley's parents think
NurikoLuver: What does Ashley think?
Kazenamida: They're probly saying "DESTROY EVERYONE BUT THE AMERICANS!"
Kazenamida: She probly wants to nuke them
Kazenamida: I don't know
Kazenamida: My friends do, too
Kazenamida: And my dad does
NurikoLuver: LOL
Kazenamida: All he wants is maps of the Middle East
NurikoLuver: It's everyone! It's a conspiracy against us!
Kazenamida: And he wants an American flag
NurikoLuver: What does your mom think?
NurikoLuver: -_-;;
Kazenamida: I dunno what mom thinks...
NurikoLuver: We can't just take over their land! We're saying that they're being primitive and irrational! Look at us! We want to control these people!! Why can't we simply discuss this like the rational, "modern" beings we are?
NurikoLuver: I'm sure they have their own reason for hating us
Kazenamida: Oh, the dancing palestinian clips? Thos are from '91
Kazenamida: Why can't we discuss this like human beings period?
NurikoLuver: And we can't blame ourselves for the way they were raised...if you grow up hvaing your parents tell you something, you're going to beleive it.
NurikoLuver: They were brought up to hate us.
NurikoLuver: x_X The whole candy-giving-out peace-sign thing is from 91?!
NurikoLuver: Why are they showing it and implying that it happened on Tuesday?
Kazenamida: I think so
Kazenamida: Yep
Kazenamida: So everyone hates Palestine for dancing and cheering in '91
NurikoLuver: Jeez, this is what the world has come to.
NurikoLuver: I know!
Kazenamida: It's all about a story
NurikoLuver: Everyone probably hates them the most because of that
NurikoLuver: I think this would make an interesting story.
Kazenamida: They're feeding us false facts, I know that much
NurikoLuver: *nods* It's a conspiracy! They don't want us to know the truth! ^_~.
Kazenamida: The survivors? Fire fighters who fell in holes and got found
NurikoLuver: I think if we could find some friends of the terrorists..
Kazenamida: The death toll keeps flucuating
NurikoLuver: I think the story would be more interesting from the perspective of the "bad guys".
NurikoLuver: Because then, maybe, they wouldn't seem so "bad".
NurikoLuver: They've been lots of movies where you've seen from the "bad" guy's POV...and sympathized with them, and why they did what they did.
Kazenamida: That's what I said...We may say their cowardly, but where they are, they're heroes
NurikoLuver: Maybe that's what we need.
Kazenamida: They thought they where doing the right thing
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement*
NurikoLuver: Because that's the way they were brought up!
Kazenamida: We'd think the same
NurikoLuver: And yet we cannot forgive them!
NurikoLuver: It's "revenge!" and "Nuke 'em!"
Kazenamida: It's just like Religion. Have different views and you're condemned to death
NurikoLuver: *had to interview people today for the school newspaper on their opinion about this, so she keeps hearing it over and over again in her head*
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement* YES!
Kazenamida: ^_^;
Kazenamida: BRB, I'm going to double layer my socks, cause my feet 're cold
NurikoLuver: Okay. ^_^
NurikoLuver: One of the editors of mrcranky.com said this: "America, to put it bluntly, is a basically a collective badass. The kind of country that, even when some ass-weasel sneaks up and clobbers her from behind with a lead pipe, stands back up. Spits out a bloody tooth. Rolls up her sleeves and shows everybody what she's made of." What do you think of it? *likes listening to your opinion*
Kazenamida: Back
NurikoLuver: Kaze-chan, someone's going to IM you with a picture
NurikoLuver: Just accept it. O.o;;
NurikoLuver: *saw it and is totally freaked*
Kazenamida: Aww crap, they messaged me and I Xed it out X_x
Kazenamida: What was it?
Kazenamida: Tell them to message me again, err somethin
NurikoLuver: I'm not supposed to show anyone. x_X
Kazenamida: Why, what is it?
NurikoLuver: x_X I cannot say... x_X
NurikoLuver: You'll see... *is seriously freaked* I don't want to send it, because he asked me not to.
NurikoLuver: He noticed it first. I don't know how he noticed it. X_X
Kazenamida: **waits**
NurikoLuver: What do you think of that quote?
Kazenamida: They're right...
NurikoLuver: It's true. But it's only when America's ass is in trouble.
Kazenamida: America doesn't take being kicked in the balls lightly
NurikoLuver: LOL XD
NurikoLuver: All of America's ready to "nuke 'em". -_-;; But then again, we've lost all rationality. Maybe all guys lose rationality once they've been kicked in the balls?
NurikoLuver: *wouldn't know, and thinks about asking a boy tomorrow*
Kazenamida: Whoa! That's scary ass! **saw the picture**
NurikoLuver: I know!
NurikoLuver: It's freaky.....
NurikoLuver: LOL Scary ass
NurikoLuver: *laughs*
Kazenamida: ^_^;
Kazenamida: 't is
NurikoLuver: I'd like to post it, if he lets me. x_X
Kazenamida: LOL, he'll post it somewhere...
NurikoLuver: Once he puts his name on it, I'll ask him if I can post it on the blog.
NurikoLuver: I wonder if I'm the only one not carrying around an American flag..
Kazenamida: Yeah, D/A
Kazenamida: LOL, yeah right
Kazenamida: I'm not carrying one
NurikoLuver: I saw today on NBC
Kazenamida: I didn't even wear a shirt with one today
NurikoLuver: that in Chicago, they were attacking this community of Arabs
NurikoLuver: And one of the girls said that she will never look at an American flag the same away again
NurikoLuver: They came at her with American flags, chasing them
NurikoLuver: And she said she was scared they were going to hurt her with the pole..
Kazenamida: o_o;
NurikoLuver: The pole on which the American flag lies-- the SUPPOSED SYMBOL OF FREEDOM!
NurikoLuver: And she said her whole family slept in the same room
NurikoLuver: They were afraid they were going to break the windows.
Kazenamida: This is why I hate America...Being American is like a religion
NurikoLuver: Is America truly a place of freedom? Or is freedom practiced only when it's convenient?
Kazenamida: Anyone who goes against what America thinks is right is automatically wrong
NurikoLuver: LOL!
NurikoLuver: *nods* INstead of following America's policy, everyone should follow their own policy
NurikoLuver: No matter what, you will always disagree with someone on one point....
NurikoLuver: You should beleive in what YOU want to beleive in. Not what nearly fits your description of your beliefs.
Kazenamida: If America gets kicked in the balls, sure, they can react. But it should be "Why?" instead of "FUCK YOU! **punches**"
Kazenamida: Right
Kazenamida: But what rights we have in America...They're limited
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement for both statements*
NurikoLuver: We should want to TALK! Are we not "civilized beings"?
NurikoLuver: Our rights during war are severly limited.
Kazenamida: Adults have few rights. Kids have even less
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement*
Kazenamida: Adults can speak against the president, but kids can't speak against the school principle
NurikoLuver: I am going to be an adult in one year, but why do I have no say in if we become involved in a war?
NurikoLuver: Is that fair? Is it fair that boys at my school will be drafted and I have no say in it?!
Kazenamida: It's not fair...
NurikoLuver: Is it fair that if this war lasts long enough, that my sons will have to fight?
NurikoLuver: No one listens! They don't listen to people who they think are stupid, or have no power or influence!
And that is why we're in this predicament!
Kazenamida: That someday your children may be born into a debauched world filled with hate? Oh wait, it's too late
NurikoLuver: America only fights when they're hurt. That pisses me off.
NurikoLuver: ROFL!
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement*
Kazenamida: ^_^;
NurikoLuver: You're so funny sometimes, but it's true..
Kazenamida: Thankyou ^_^;
NurikoLuver: We can't make mistakes from here-- we cannot redeem ourselves. There's no room for mistakes. There's no room for errors.
But we have all the time in the world. And the American people are screaming "NOW! NOW!"
Kazenamida: But there's one thing that I laugh at...people who beleive in total pacifism...
Kazenamida: No matter what, people are going to have conflicts
Kazenamida: There's no way everyone can be completely at peace
NurikoLuver: *nods* And people won't always be able to sort it out
NurikoLuver: But I'd prefer pacifism...
NurikoLuver: I don't want us going to war when we can atleast TRY and sort things out
NurikoLuver: *nods*
Kazenamida: What if we kill Osama Bin Laden, and it wasn't him who sent the terrorists?
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement* They are quick to point the finger, and they only do that because the American people want it.
Kazenamida: If that happens, then we'll have just shoved ourselves into a grave
Kazenamida: That's all I can say...
NurikoLuver: They want to know who did this so they can extract revenge
Kazenamida: People are just quick to point fingers cause they need someone to blame
Kazenamida: So they can feel better
NurikoLuver: *nods in agreement*
Kazenamida: **thinks of more to say**
Kazenamida: BRB
Kazenamida: Back
Kazenamida: Somethin was wrong with Vader, and he just came back from the vet
Kazenamida: He was fine
Kazenamida: Hurt his hip when he was playing with Brandi.
NurikoLuver: I'm like any other individual American, in the fact that I mourn for these people, that I'm sad...and also that I'm angry!
But unlike others, who want quick revenge, I too, feel a punishment is neccesary (not so much as a revenge, but as to reinforce that terrorism is bad, and to make an example of them...perhaps then they will resist the temptation to become terrorists.), but I don't think that a punishment should be carried out at a time when we're very emotional, like now.
You don't think clearly when you're emotional, especially when you're angry,.
NurikoLuver: Awww...
Kazenamida: And, if we do retaliate, it should NOT be an eye for an eye
Kazenamida: It's like in kindergarten; two wrongs don't make a right
NurikoLuver: *nods* Does it make it right if we kill their innocents, as long as we extract revenge? Of course not!
Kazenamida: Right!
Kazenamida: This world...it's like kindergarten, seriously
Kazenamida: "Mommy, he knocked over my sand castle!" "Did not!" "Did too!"